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by Robin Yergenson
Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:32 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 36514

Re: Objective morality

Hi met, That’s a good question that does need clarification. You say, IF morality rises from the volitional being's pursuit of benefits with respect to him/herself, how can any "proper moral action" ever lead anyone, as a consequence of a proper moral choice, to "a life not worth living?" That seems...
by Robin Yergenson
Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:00 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 36514

Re: Objective morality

Hi met, You say, Right. If a moral system is described as 'objective,' some might expect it to encompass many widely-held tho less formally-stated human values, and to the extent it doesn't encompass them, many might feel its claim to be weaker. A system that would set self-interest even above the l...
by Robin Yergenson
Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:00 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 36514

Re: Objective morality

Hi met, You ask, Is a mother or father voluntarily dying to protect his or her child an immoral act, then? (Most people wouldn't agree with that.) The opinions of “most people” is not the basis for what morality is. That’s a bandwagon logical fallacy. We are genetically predisposed with a deep love ...
by Robin Yergenson
Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:47 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 36514

Re: Objective morality

Hi Miles, Sounds like some heavy reading. I've been preoccupied with refuting the claim of the Copenhagen quantum physicists that probability is an intrinsic quality of matter. I'm also tackling Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity and the Lorentz Transformations which presuppose that the speed o...
by Robin Yergenson
Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:32 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 36514

Re: Objective morality

Hi Miles, I had said, “…Of course it is a fact that MLK benefited mankind. That benefit is ‘something,’ but the ‘something’ that I was referring to is the personal satisfaction in knowing in fact that you benefited mankind in that way. Goodness is only goodness if it is experienced. If I willfully d...
by Robin Yergenson
Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:21 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 36514

Re: Objective morality

Hi met, You say, Meta says you are trying to "treat a set of values as if they are facts." Yes, 1. It is a fact that objective benefits with respect to me do exist and are good for me as defined by reality itself (i.e. they are not whim-based), and 2. It is a fact that as an organism, I want goodnes...
by Robin Yergenson
Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:35 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 36514

Re: Objective morality

Hi Metacrock, Yes, I remember the “ought sauce” term as a way to evade my argument. You say, You are still making assumptions about your own value systems as though it transcends the realm of value and it doesn't. What the **** is a "realm of value?" I can’t tell what part of the statements I made p...
by Robin Yergenson
Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:34 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 36514

Re: Objective morality

Metacrock, you say, Robin you never got past the ought sauce comment that Fleet made. You are still just trying to treat a set of values as though they are facts based upon behavior. that doesn't work. It's in vogue in moral philosophy circles ala realism. I think that's the Rand influence and they ...
by Robin Yergenson
Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:34 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 36514

Re: Objective morality

Hi ruamokmonk, You ask, Is MLK immoral? Mistaken? We’ve discussed this before, but let’s do it again. We hop out into fast moving traffic to go to work every day. It’s a risk that could cost us our life, but the risk is justified given the opportunity that we have to be productive and exchange value...
by Robin Yergenson
Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:07 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 36514

Re: Objective morality

Hi met, You say, I'm still feeling a little confused, Rob. Here's another question - what about the problem of death? Does the fact that as human organisms we are aware of our finiteness, the actual - on any truly objective scale - minuteness of our existence as organisms? (And this is true from any...