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- Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:34 pm
- Forum: Theology/Bible
- Topic: The Qur'an, is it the "literal speech of Allah"?
- Replies: 20
- Views: 35120
Re: The Qur'an, is it the "literal speech of Allah"?
I've done what I can for you. May ALLAH guide you. -sgtt Thanks for giving me hints on how I might establish the answer to this question - "The Qur'an, is it the 'literal speech of Allah'?" I understand that you "have neither the desire, nor the resources" to carry out the investigation I need. You...
- Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:28 am
- Forum: Theology/Bible
- Topic: The Qur'an, is it the "literal speech of Allah"?
- Replies: 20
- Views: 35120
Re: The Qur'an, is it the "literal speech of Allah"?
I'm responding to your request for the STRONGEST argument, and that we will evaluate them ONE at a time. You should read more carefully, as you are saying things which are not true. I did not say there was only one valid argument. I said there is only one worth evaluating . Meaning, only one for yo...
- Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:55 pm
- Forum: Theology/Bible
- Topic: The Qur'an, is it the "literal speech of Allah"?
- Replies: 20
- Views: 35120
Re: The Qur'an, is it the "literal speech of Allah"?
The only one worth evaluating is that the speech itself is inimitable. This is the preeminent claim and the one that will always be available for our introspection. It wasn't what I needed in order to come to belief, but what I needed can't be evaluated in objective terms. Any subsequent claims of ...
- Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:54 am
- Forum: Theology/Bible
- Topic: The Qur'an, is it the "literal speech of Allah"?
- Replies: 20
- Views: 35120
The Qur'an, is it the "literal speech of Allah"?
sgttomas is a muslim who has begun to discuss an important question with me on another thread. http://www.doxa.ws/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1413&start=20 I hope I summarise him correctly as follows: He holds the position that the bible is superseded by the Qur'an because it is the "literal speech of...
- Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:35 am
- Forum: Theology/Bible
- Topic: How to read the bible
- Replies: 62
- Views: 92850
Re: How to read the bible
[quote="sgttomas]All of the arguments put forth for the Quran being the literal speech of ALLAH can be found in the Quran. I invite you to read a translation as you can scarcely go ten verses without encountering one. To summarize a few : -sgtt[/quote] Ah, this is interesting. We have arrived at the...
- Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:21 am
- Forum: Theology/Bible
- Topic: How to read the bible
- Replies: 62
- Views: 92850
Re: How to read the bible
In this case, the holy book makes claim to being in whole, not in part, the literal, actual, speech of God; uncreated, preexistent, eternal, inexorable and inimitable. I know that even the most ardent fundamentalist Christian doesn't ascribe that character to the Bible (how could they?!?) - at leas...
- Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:06 am
- Forum: Theology/Bible
- Topic: How to read the bible
- Replies: 62
- Views: 92850
Re: How to read the bible
Okay, here is step one. Purify your intention to gain knowledge for the sake of ALLAH alone. Submit your self to ALLAH. Believe in Him, His Angels, His Messengers, His Books, the Day of Judgment, the Afterlife, and Divine Destiny. Then submit yourself to what the Prophet taught, completely and with...
- Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:09 am
- Forum: Theology/Bible
- Topic: How to read the bible
- Replies: 62
- Views: 92850
Re: How to read the bible
Yeah, sure! Years and years of study of the classical works of source material and derivative knowledge, rhetorical techniques, quranic arabic language, and biographies of previous scholars taken from masters of the subjects who studied with people, who studied with people, who studied with the Com...
- Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:57 am
- Forum: Theology/Bible
- Topic: How to read the bible
- Replies: 62
- Views: 92850
Re: How to read the bible
Let me check that I understand you. So on reading something like, let us say, Leviticus, the first task would be a historical enquiry, the purpose of which would be to understand the cultural mores of the time well enough to see how these may have distorted the human / divine encounters that took p...
- Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:46 am
- Forum: Theology/Bible
- Topic: KJV or NIV?
- Replies: 36
- Views: 54371
Re: KJV or NIV?
as literature - the KJV, incomparably well written!