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by Robin Yergenson
Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:35 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 35596

Re: Objective morality

Hi Metacrock, I had said to met, The question that we’re wrestling with isn’t about whether being rational in order to discover moral actions is easy or hard. The question is, what gives rise to morality? Is it the volitional being’s objective values and benefits as defined by reality that we discov...
by Robin Yergenson
Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:06 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 35596

Re: Objective morality

Hi met, You had asked, How do we know what's really an 'objective' benefit? How do we tell what reality really defines? How do we separate merely-apparent benefits from actual ones? And I had responded, By grasping reality, which includes knowing oneself. The challenge here is precisely what forming...
by Robin Yergenson
Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:30 am
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: The is/ought thing
Replies: 37
Views: 7980

Re: The is/ought thing

Hi Metacrock, When I state a simple fact like the fact that benefit is good for an organism, and when you then respond with gibberish like: not as a value. that it is aided by something is factual that we valuing doing that is not factual. I mean it may be a fact that we value it but the force of th...
by Robin Yergenson
Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:35 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 35596

Re: Objective morality

Hi met, I had said, that since “benefit” is only coherent within the context of one who benefits, an actor who correctly acts to obtain benefit is acting to obtain benefit that is beneficial to him as objectively defined by reality itself. So then, when an individual chooses his or her group's benef...
by Robin Yergenson
Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:33 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 35596

Re: Objective morality

Hi met, I had said, “My argument is that the individual volitional being is the one who is doing the thinking, choosing and acting, not the society. As such, it is the objective benefit of that individual that should be guiding his choices and actions, not the benefit of society. In most cases those...
by Robin Yergenson
Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:18 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: The is/ought thing
Replies: 37
Views: 7980

Re: The is/ought thing

Hi Metacrock, You say, But don't you see Robin, you are already assuming an ought to assume the value of benefit. That benefit is good and that it is something we should have is an ought. So you are using a pre given ought to establish ought form is, but you don't prove the pre-given so its circular...
by Robin Yergenson
Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:36 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 35596

Re: Objective morality

Hi met, You say, As fleet said, Rob, you're just pouring ought sauce over ises. Even granting all your 'factual' claims, you haven't demonstrated that there is anything particularly 'ethical' about anything you say. Some people may feel - and in fact many people around the world do - that's it's bet...
by Robin Yergenson
Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:24 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: The is/ought thing
Replies: 37
Views: 7980

Re: The is/ought thing

Hi fleetmouse and Metacrock, I had demonstrated that oughts derive from is-es as follows: 1. Those things that benefit and harm an organism are factual is-es. 2. With few exceptions, the preference to live and thrive is in the very nature of a rational organism qua organism. This natural order is al...
by Robin Yergenson
Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:36 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: The is/ought thing
Replies: 37
Views: 7980

Re: The is/ought thing

Hi Fleetwood, Earlier I had said, “I have demonstrated that oughts derive from is-es as follows: 1. Those things that benefit and harm an organism are factual is-es. 2. With few exceptions, the preference to live and thrive is in the very nature of a rational organism qua organism. This natural orde...
by Robin Yergenson
Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:09 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 35596

Re: Objective morality

Hi met, You say, What if, in deep reality, we are not so individuated as we - &sp those in the West - believe we are? What if that cheesy, new agey platitude how "we are all connected" is more profound than we realize? What if (eg) "society's interests" and our own are, at the bottom line, very diff...