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by Robin Yergenson
Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:36 am
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: The is/ought thing
Replies: 37
Views: 8099

Re: The is/ought thing

Hi fleetmouse, I had said, “And these truths have context. They do not apply to rocks and are therefore not necessarily true nor contingently true for rocks. These oughts are contingent upon a certain context.” To which you say, I'd like to address this idea of contingency in the sense of dependence...
by Robin Yergenson
Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:16 am
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 36080

Re: Objective morality

Hi met, You say, Rob, I think some of us here probably disagree with u that "rational volitional organism" is a very sufficient description of us, what we are, what our potential is. That's why I suggested that there's an inevitable place where the "ises" and the "oughts" collide. I’m not claiming t...
by Robin Yergenson
Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:26 am
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: The is/ought thing
Replies: 37
Views: 8099

Re: The is/ought thing

I have demonstrated that oughts derive from is-es as follows: 1. Those things that benefit and harm an organism are factual is-es. 2. With few exceptions, the preference to live and thrive is in the very nature of a rational organism qua organism. This natural order is also a fatual is. 3. It follow...
by Robin Yergenson
Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:55 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 36080

Re: Objective morality

Hi met, I had said, “And if so, isn’t it very important to differentiate between “self interest” as being at bottom and “society’s interest” or “the surrounding environment’s interest” or “the harmony of life” as being at bottom? I’m thinking that it’s really important to know what’s at bottom, what...
by Robin Yergenson
Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:52 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 36080

Re: Objective morality

Hi James, I wish I had seen your post sooner. I have had very little free time this past few weeks. Hopefully that will turn around as we move into the cold season. It’s good to hear that this thread is one of your favorite subjects. It’s one of mine too. Your concern about the term "enlightened sel...
by Robin Yergenson
Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:28 am
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 36080

Re: Objective morality

Hi Metacrock, Earlier you had said, One of the reasons I keep losing interest in discussion here is because you just don't listen. You don't respond to the things l say. Like here. You are still assuming that utilitarian assumptions are the only logical assumptions are so natural they are just given...
by Robin Yergenson
Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:12 am
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 36080

Re: Objective morality

Hi met, You say, Rob, thanks. I don't mean to make you niggle with your axioms, but I just wanna understand. We may disagree between the two of us on the particular examples I chose but that doesn't matter because they're specific ethical cases and we're really talking about meta-ethical issues here...
by Robin Yergenson
Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:25 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 36080

Re: Objective morality

Hi runamokmonk, There seems to be one most pivotal area that we are not aligned on so I’m going to focus there. You say, You define value as that which benefits an organism. That is your value system, your definition of what a value is factually correct to be. In reality, this is not the deepest val...
by Robin Yergenson
Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:24 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 36080

Re: Objective morality

Hi Metacrock, You say, I find a strange inconsistency in that Robin says "I am not a utilitarian then turns around and obviously stakes value on outcome. My understanding of utilitarianism is pursuing the maximum amount of happiness within society. I’m demonstrating that morality is about pursuing t...
by Robin Yergenson
Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:44 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 36080

Re: Objective morality

Hi met, You say, In any case, whether you agree with antitrust law or not, MS DID use pirate-ish tactics. Simply by operating OUTSIDE those laws - on four continents - while pretending to be good corporate citizens. They could afford to do so because the wealth and power they already held had alread...