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by Robin Yergenson
Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:43 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 48882

Re: Objective morality

Hi Metacrock, You say, My beef is with atheists (not including you) who try to derive meta ethics principles from facts of nature and genetics. Ethics will always be a selection of values. That means it can't be the result of natural facts. That's a violation of Hume's fork. The only thing that puts...
by Robin Yergenson
Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:31 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 48882

Re: Objective morality

Hi Metacrock, I see people talking about "objective morality" in two different senses. I agree with one and not the other. I think when atheists speak of objective morality they mean provably true by scientific or mathematical standards. Of course in that sense there can't be any. In the other sense...
by Robin Yergenson
Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:07 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 48882

Re: Objective morality

Hi Miles, You say, Actually, I do believe that morality is objective. Relativism often become contradictory when faced with overlapping cultures or opposing opinions within cultures. So quite the contrary. In fact, I too support flourishing as essential to our natures (definitions of "flourishing as...
by Robin Yergenson
Wed May 30, 2012 10:13 am
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 48882

Re: Objective morality

Hi Miles, I said, When we speak of value here, we need to realize that values are only coherent with respect to a valuer. Who is the valuer? The subject doing the pursuing. And as I said above, when we act to pursue something, we are acting based on our beliefs and values which are at risk of being ...
by Robin Yergenson
Sun May 20, 2012 5:54 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 48882

Re: Objective morality

Hi runamokmonk, I had said, When you act, are you acting based on your beliefs or someone else’s? Your beliefs. And are your beliefs always true, or are they attempting to be true but at risk of being in error? At risk of being in error. And are your principles and beliefs of what is beneficial to y...
by Robin Yergenson
Tue May 15, 2012 7:07 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 48882

Re: Objective morality

Hi Metacrock, I sent a response yesterday morning but where did it go? I’ll try again. You ask, Robin I'd like to know your assumptions about consciousness? Are you a determinist? There is nothing we know with more certainty than immediate experience. Experiential consciousness, perception, and choi...
by Robin Yergenson
Mon May 14, 2012 12:27 am
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 48882

Re: Objective morality

Hi runamokmonk, You say, I don't believe it is a semantics difference as I told you the difference. "Rights" don't exist in nature, they exist in community. Community of a species that emerged from mutual aid. I could just as easily say that your “social mutuality” does not exist in nature. It exist...
by Robin Yergenson
Sun May 06, 2012 11:45 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 48882

Re: Objective morality

Hi runamokmonk, You say, The question, I was asking, was why the emphasis on the individual having its highest value being for itself? Above, I pointed out that "rights reciprocity" is a value system based on principles rather than a value system based on biased self interest. You added this last re...
by Robin Yergenson
Sun May 06, 2012 11:08 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 48882

Re: Objective morality

Hey runamokmonk, I see we have a semantic difference on what rights are. Fine, we’ve wasted enough time on semantics. This is not interesting. You say, Mutual aid is an action or process providing some form of mutual support and or help against forces which may cause harm. Mutuality then may eventua...
by Robin Yergenson
Sun May 06, 2012 1:50 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 48882

Re: Objective morality

Hi runamokmonk, You say, I am saying "RIghts" is a concept. Do you then say animal social groups also are based in rights reciprocity or mutual aid? Or a form of symbiosis, mutual benefit, in the struggle against forces that may do it harm. Of course “rights” is a concept. So is “mutual aid.” Both o...