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by runamokmonk
Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:57 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 46820

Re: Objective morality

RY No. I am not telling you what your deepest values should be. I am telling you what your deepest value in fact is. I am stating facts regarding what is of greatest benefit to you as an organism whether you agree or not. Disagreeing with facts is the very definition of error. Facts aren’t something...
by runamokmonk
Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:38 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 46820

Re: Objective morality

I said No need for a debate then. If it is factually, my deepest value, than there is no need to debate or convince. It would be an actual fact and there would be no one sacrificing their life for another. RY replied We can all be benefited when others help us understand essential facts that we had ...
by runamokmonk
Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:16 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 46820

Re: Objective morality

Indentured servitude was a contractual agreement too. It may be called an agreement but the servant's autonomy was sold. According to how I understood the above quote, this could be justified. I can say it is wrong because I do value autonomy and fairness. You might say that this conflicts with his ...
by runamokmonk
Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:35 am
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 46820

Re: Objective morality

Yes, I think so. Not sure what you mean, I guess. I disagreed with, organism qua organism, and the argument. The argument is of an abstract Organism not based in the facts of reality. In reality, organisms, human organisms, have in fact sacrificed. The sacrifice does not change the fact that they we...
by runamokmonk
Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:47 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 46820

Re: Objective morality

No. I am not telling you what your deepest values should be. I am telling you what your deepest value in fact is. No need for a debate then. If it is factually, my deepest value, than there is no need to debate or convince. It would be an actual fact and there would be no one sacrificing their life...
by runamokmonk
Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:35 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 46820

Re: Objective morality

RY What skyhooks are you suggesting? In this thread I said this~ runamokmonk: It seems to me, that it is more objective, in the sense of being more impartial, to expand one's values, and I imagine one would then find higher principles and have the ideal of applying them fairly and trying to live by ...
by runamokmonk
Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:39 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 46820

Re: Objective morality

If you think something is a value when it is really a disvalue then it is really a disvalue whether you realize it or not. You are telling me what my deepest values should be. You have used the term skyhook, by telling me what my highest values ought to be, are you being a skyhook to me? Sacrificin...
by runamokmonk
Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:18 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 46820

Re: Objective morality

As long as objective values with respect to the valuer are the basis for guiding the valuer’s choices and actions, in general the life of the valuer, living and thriving, is going to be at bottom (when the valuer ceases to live, the value system becomes incoherent much like the value system of a ro...
by runamokmonk
Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:18 am
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 46820

Re: Objective morality

Given by society sounds like that may be social roles for those inside society. Is it? The good man is kind of vague. Invidual/s have revolted from what their functions were said to be, each person having their station or place, and changed things. I think Jesus was disrupting this sort of thing. La...
by runamokmonk
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:59 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Objective morality
Replies: 159
Views: 46820

Re: Objective morality

Not sure, but inherent function of humanity seems to be something similar with defining abstract man as man. Man as man. Man qua man.

Making an essence of abstract Real Man above real individual humans. The individual human being ought to be as the discovered real Man.