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by Magritte
Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:23 am
Forum: Theology/Bible
Topic: so called "Oivet" discourse
Replies: 38
Views: 37978

Re: so called "Oivet" discourse

Thx fm. Interesting. ( I read the two articles and can also see how the argument could be extended by folding in Christ's teachings like "don't worry about tomorrow" and "sell all your stuff and follow me" and so on. I'd answer that the 'apocalyptic' doesn't have to be literal to be effective. Coul...
by Magritte
Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:38 am
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Athest Can't handle complex theoloyg
Replies: 28
Views: 10736

Re: Athest Can't handle complex theoloyg

met wrote:consciousness....
Are you asserting that there can be no consciousness in nature? By which I mean, in a naturalistic universe?
by Magritte
Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:35 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Athest Can't handle complex theoloyg
Replies: 28
Views: 10736

Re: Athest Can't handle complex theoloyg

I dast you to distinguish being from nature without simply adding anthropomorphic labels like love, purpose, meaning, "depth", etc. (BTW sorry for bouncing back and forth between accounts - I didn't realize the ipad browser would log me in under the old one - I intend to stick to this one going ahead)
by Magritte
Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:13 pm
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Athest Can't handle complex theoloyg
Replies: 28
Views: 10736

Re: Athest Can't handle complex theoloyg

One last time, you have multiple conflicting ideas about what God is. On the one hand you have the Tillich idea, and on the other hand you have the big man in the sky who grants wishes like a genie and dispenses peasant voodoo miracles at Lourdes, grows new lungs and makes statues weep blood. As Sky...
by Magritte
Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:29 am
Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
Topic: Athest Can't handle complex theoloyg
Replies: 28
Views: 10736

Re: Athest Can't handle complex theoloyg

I stand by what I wrote. Your conception of God morphs like the T-1000 from Terminator to accommodate whatever line of argument you're pursuing. It doesn't bother you in the slightest when your various God concepts are mutually contradictory. Additionally, when you want God to have human-like qualit...
by Magritte
Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:09 pm
Forum: Theology/Bible
Topic: so called "Oivet" discourse
Replies: 38
Views: 37978

Re: so called "Oivet" discourse

The problem is that we're not just talking about one snippet of scripture, or even the same one across the synoptics. The evidence that Jesus and his followers, and even John the baptist, believed in an imminent apocalypse, is pervasive. Here's a pretty good essay on the subject: http://www.ebonmusi...
by Magritte
Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:28 pm
Forum: Theology/Bible
Topic: so called "Oivet" discourse
Replies: 38
Views: 37978

Re: so called "Oivet" discourse

Sure, whatever.

So what do you say, Meta? If there's no problem with Jesus having been wrong about imminent apocalypse and most of the relevant scripture points in that direction, will you accept that Jesus was wrong and concede that a hypothetical redaction defense is superfluous?
by Magritte
Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:54 am
Forum: Theology/Bible
Topic: so called "Oivet" discourse
Replies: 38
Views: 37978

Re: so called "Oivet" discourse

Well there you go. If Jesus was fallible then you needn't reach for excuses like redaction when his fallibility is in evidence.