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- Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:22 am
- Forum: Theology/Bible
- Topic: Christians and Sabbath
- Replies: 39
- Views: 62540
Re: Christians and Sabbath
I think it's a question of how "spiritualized" Torah could become? By the time of Christ, Judeah had been influenced by Hellenic cultures and empires for several hundred years, and not under its own governance, so their relation with "the Law" had changed, and many Jewish-descended people had becom...
- Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:41 am
- Forum: Theology/Bible
- Topic: Christians and Sabbath
- Replies: 39
- Views: 62540
Re: Christians and Sabbath
Yes, but I am arguing against the stock Christian position. My point is that Christianity has been ignoring Biblical laws since Paul.met wrote:I think it's not too far from a "stock Xian" kind of answer tho? Pretty common lines of reasoning, even if (perhaps) some of my own personal quirks are worked in....
- Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:11 am
- Forum: Theology/Bible
- Topic: Christians and Sabbath
- Replies: 39
- Views: 62540
Re: Christians and Sabbath
So Pixie does it matter what day we worship God? I have to work on Saturday have I sin against God? Remember the penalty for not following the law was death. Do you follow all 613 laws in the Torah? There is no God, so no, it does not matter a bit. I follow the laws that are morally sound (do not m...
- Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:09 am
- Forum: Theology/Bible
- Topic: Christians and Sabbath
- Replies: 39
- Views: 62540
Re: Christians and Sabbath
How does Paul's spin on Christ's career "take a hatchet" to his Messianic fulfillment of the prophets? Jesus said he had not come to change the laws one jot. Paul said you no longer need to keep the laws. The whole thing fits with this Jeremiah passage (quoted in Hebrews) pretty good, I think? I se...
- Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:10 pm
- Forum: Theology/Bible
- Topic: Christians and Sabbath
- Replies: 39
- Views: 62540
Re: Christians and Sabbath
Why wouldn't God's "laws" change? If God is relational in some way with humans, then the nature of those relations will change, and will depend not just on God's character but on the various and always-changing character of the other "beings" involved. And more than that, an unchanging essence woul...
- Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:32 am
- Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
- Topic: What is hell?
- Replies: 25
- Views: 33913
Re: What is hell?
Ah, right.
So what is the central message in your opinion?
So what is the central message in your opinion?
- Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:30 am
- Forum: Theology/Bible
- Topic: Christians and Sabbath
- Replies: 39
- Views: 62540
Re: Christians and Sabbath
Px, I just quoted to you what Jesus said in John and made favourable comparison to Paul (not to mention Slavoj Zizek) in terms of images used for the state of the Xian believer - "born again", "buried with Christ", "undead" - and suggested these are images of basically the same state, and one that ...
- Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:18 pm
- Forum: Theology/Bible
- Topic: Christians and Sabbath
- Replies: 39
- Views: 62540
Re: Christians and Sabbath
Px, I'm trying to show you a consistent understanding of the nature of the Xian revelation between Paul and Christ, that's my point .... Well the impression I get is one of inconsistency, one where a law has to be obeyed but actually it does not. I would love it if you could clarify this basic cont...
- Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:09 am
- Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
- Topic: What is hell?
- Replies: 25
- Views: 33913
Re: What is hell?
My point was that a lot of Christians think there is a central message to the Bible, and therefore it is not "ridiculous" of me to ask you guys what you think it is.
Okay, neither of you can discern any such message. I suppose we need to accept that and move on.
Okay, neither of you can discern any such message. I suppose we need to accept that and move on.
- Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:06 am
- Forum: Theology/Bible
- Topic: Christians and Sabbath
- Replies: 39
- Views: 62540
Re: Christians and Sabbath
Are you saying murder is okay if you can get away with it? I think that's a really interesting concept...why isn't it? Are you really not sure, or just ducking the question? My opinion is that whether an action is wrong is intrinsic to the action, and not determined by external factors such as cult...