Sorry, but I'm really not sure what you mean or how this is an answer to my question.sgttomas wrote:"Allah! There is no God save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel aforetime, for a guidance to mankind; and hath revealed the Criterion (of right and wrong). Lo! those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. Allah is Mighty, Able to Requite (the wrong)...And lo! there is a party of them who distort the Scripture with their tongues, that ye may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture. And they say: It is from Allah, when it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly. It is not (possible) for any human being unto whom Allah had given the Scripture and wisdom and the prophethood that he should afterwards have said unto mankind: Be slaves of me instead of Allah; but (what he said was): Be ye faithful servants of the Lord by virtue of your constant teaching of the Scripture and of your constant study thereof."KR Wordgazer wrote:First you said that the Bible is unlike the Quran. Now, in the areas which you say evidence the fact that the Quran is different from the Bible, you agree that the Bible has the same evidences. What am I supposed to make of that?
I don't know, what is your dispute? What are you alleging?You said to examine the life of the Prophet. I figured that meant I was to look upon him as a man who lived his life according to the will of Allah. So-- was it Allah's will that he marry a little girl? And if it was-- what am I to make of Allah?
I don't know, what is it that you are alleging?What am I to make of modern-day Muslims who use this example from the Prophet's life as an excuse to marry little girls today?
(Look, I can assume what you are getting at, but I don't want to put words into your mouth - what is it on the face of things that is wrong with marrying someone of that age? ...A marriage ceremony is repulsive? I'm thinking you are implying something else, so I'm asking you to just say what it is that is in your heart concerning the matter).
It is in my heart that a woman should have free will in whom she marries and should be able to give the consent an adult would give, to something that is going to involve the rest of her life. A little girl has no power of adult consent and any attempt to marry her off must be viewed as coercion, if not outright exploitation.
A little girl is physically unable to consummate a marriage, and any attempt to do so can only be called rape and child molestation. Now, I don't know at what age she was when Mohammed consummated this marriage-- but I do know that the child was not able to make a free choice as an adult. She must therefore be regarded as having been sent without consent into a situation where she had no choice but to eventually consummate a marriage with a man she had not chosen who was many years her senior.
Does Islam view women as completely, fully human in the same way men are fully human? Do women in Islam have the power of self-determination as a man does, over the choices that affect her life? (Yes, I know Islam is about submission to Allah, but a man is not expected to submit to being married at age nine.) If not, then does Allah not value women to the same level as men? Under what circumstances has it come about that nine-year-old girls are considered marriagable? Was this child not being viewed as property? How is that acceptable?
This is what is in my heart. In short, my question is, how can the Quran be a holy book, and how can its Prophet be a holy man, and how can its view of Allah be a view of a holy God, if the marriage of this child was supposed to be the will of Allah? Things like this that are in the Bible can be explained as being human and not divine, due to the nature of the Bible as being written by both humans and God. But if the Quran is divine only, then this is not the sort of thing I expect. And in any event, Christianity is not (except for fundamentalists) ultimately based on the Bible as a God's ultimate, perfect revelation, but on Jesus himself as God's ultimate, perfect revelation. But Jesus never married a little girl or said it was God's will that a little girl be married. Did Mohammed say so? And if it wasn't Allah's will, why did he do it?