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Re: Republican assumptions in PBS show

Post by mdsimpson92 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:52 pm

Metacrock wrote:I see those right wing economic assumptions in a bunch of PBS stuff now. It's real disconcerting.
Yeah, . . . .yeah. Say, Meta, have any favorite ancient countries/civilizations. You'll never guess what mine is. . . . .. :mrgreen:
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Re: Republican assumptions in PBS show

Post by Metacrock » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:36 am

mdsimpson92 wrote:
Metacrock wrote:I see those right wing economic assumptions in a bunch of PBS stuff now. It's real disconcerting.
Yeah, . . . .yeah. Say, Meta, have any favorite ancient countries/civilizations. You'll never guess what mine is. . . . .. :mrgreen:
China? I like China too.I am intersted in them. For a long time couldn't decidee between China or Japan. I finally did decide I would must rather be in China than to be under the Bushido thing. Yet I do find medieval Japanese culture beautiful in a way. I like the peasant aspects too. the natural socialism. I don't like Bushido.

Of course very interested in early bronze age Europe and stone age Europe.

the whole ancinet world i find fascinating.
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Re: Republican assumptions in PBS show

Post by Metacrock » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:38 am

over ween end I saw on tv Jackie Chan's Super Cop and Project A 2.

both fine flicks. also Dragon Lord. that's an early one that may have been panned by the box office but earned him the respect of Jew Li and officianodos of Kung fu for his performance of a guy who just wouldn't quite in a fight where he was totally outclassed by a much more experienced fighter.
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Re: Republican assumptions in PBS show

Post by mdsimpson92 » Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:48 pm

Metacrock wrote:over ween end I saw on tv Jackie Chan's Super Cop and Project A 2.

both fine flicks. also Dragon Lord. that's an early one that may have been panned by the box office but earned him the respect of Jew Li and officianodos of Kung fu for his performance of a guy who just wouldn't quite in a fight where he was totally outclassed by a much more experienced fighter.
I will probably try out Dragon Lord. Li's Fist of Legend and Fearless are both movies I like rewatching. The first one has the most hilarious dubbing over.
Probably the best action/martial arts film I have ever seen would have to be an indonesian film called "The Raid." I'll give you a link if you want.
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Re: Republican assumptions in PBS show

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Metacrock wrote:China? I like China too.I am intersted in them. For a long time couldn't decidee between China or Japan. I finally did decide I would must rather be in China than to be under the Bushido thing. Yet I do find medieval Japanese culture beautiful in a way. I like the peasant aspects too. the natural socialism. I don't like Bushido.Of course very interested in early bronze age Europe and stone age Europe.
COORRECT!?!? ;)

Coming in second would have to be the Byzantine Empire. Mostly because of their longetivity and being the most advanced European power for almost 700 years.

Tang China probably wins out due to the fact that its dominance was more cultural rather than military (though they had that too :mrgreen: ).Plus, excellent women's rights for that period, even had a female emperor.
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Re: Republican assumptions in PBS show

Post by Metacrock » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:37 am

mdsimpson92 wrote:
Metacrock wrote:China? I like China too.I am intersted in them. For a long time couldn't decidee between China or Japan. I finally did decide I would must rather be in China than to be under the Bushido thing. Yet I do find medieval Japanese culture beautiful in a way. I like the peasant aspects too. the natural socialism. I don't like Bushido.Of course very interested in early bronze age Europe and stone age Europe.
COORRECT!?!? ;)

Coming in second would have to be the Byzantine Empire. Mostly because of their longetivity and being the most advanced European power for almost 700 years.

Tang China probably wins out due to the fact that its dominance was more cultural rather than military (though they had that too :mrgreen: ).Plus, excellent women's rights for that period, even had a female emperor.
the PBS show equated China with modern American liberalism because of its bureaucratic nature. There's probably something of an apt analogy there, but the fact that China's power syndrome (for want of a better term) and it's bureaucracy mere deeply conservative and not liberally motivated would make a difference. I think.
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Re: Republican assumptions in PBS show

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Metacrock wrote:the PBS show equated China with modern American liberalism because of its bureaucratic nature. There's probably something of an apt analogy there, but the fact that China's power syndrome (for want of a better term) and it's bureaucracy mere deeply conservative and not liberally motivated would make a difference. I think.
That is very important. China is NOT liberal. in general it has been a collectivist society that has until recently been very bound up in its traditions. Furthermore there is the lack of individualism in Chinese culture. In confucianism the basic unit is not really the individual but rather the family. All of these things make a significant difference.

The other reason I can think of is that China has always viewed until the last two centuries as the middle kingdom. Civilization poured out from it. As a result, the Ming and Qing thought that they did not need to deal with these foreigners who are tens of thousands of miles away.
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Re: Republican assumptions in PBS show

Post by Metacrock » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:46 am

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Metacrock wrote:the PBS show equated China with modern American liberalism because of its bureaucratic nature. There's probably something of an apt analogy there, but the fact that China's power syndrome (for want of a better term) and it's bureaucracy mere deeply conservative and not liberally motivated would make a difference. I think.
That is very important. China is NOT liberal. in general it has been a collectivist society that has until recently been very bound up in its traditions. Furthermore there is the lack of individualism in Chinese culture. In confucianism the basic unit is not really the individual but rather the family. All of these things make a significant difference.

The other reason I can think of is that China has always viewed until the last two centuries as the middle kingdom. Civilization poured out from it. As a result, the Ming and Qing thought that they did not need to deal with these foreigners who are tens of thousands of miles away.

I know that. the show equated the last imperial government with a liberal government in terms of bureaucracy. I thought the comparison was kind of propagandist and stupid.
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