I am smart part II

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I am smart part II

Post by Metacrock » Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:58 pm

est attacks offered? 03-03-2010 10:01 PM Antitheist1 First theist I've given rep to on this site. You're also the first one to agree with any point an atheist has made, so far as I've seen. Thanks for the honest reading, rather than just shooting us down with no reason.


Bursting the Athesit... 03-03-2010 04:24 AM robert4818 Great Post!


NT Contradictions,... 03-02-2010 02:12 PM vja4Him Thanks!


"Christian" 03-02-2010 08:32 AM figjam YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Belief 02-25-2010 10:38 PM invadvice

Tagdaze - Trinity 02-19-2010 11:55 PM TagDaze It takes a good and brave person to publicly apologize like that, especially to an agnost, who are not regarded very highly on CARM. Respect, Metacrock.

Many fundies cannot be... 02-19-2010 06:10 PM Sunofmysoul well done meta....

Was Jesus one of the... 02-18-2010 09:10 PM ozzydingo thanks for the good response. I've lost total respect for JyB


Sons of God and... 02-10-2010 05:55 PM souper genyus Interesting.

Can the Bible be... 02-10-2010 04:00 PM Sunofmysoul love this meta....thank you!

Sons of God and... 02-09-2010 02:01 PM fusilier haven't been haning out on the same boards - nice to see your screen name

Did apostle John speak... 02-08-2010 07:42 PM Mudkipz137 Excellent collection of sources and explanation. Thanks -Mudz

Coptic translation... 02-06-2010 09:07 PM civic Keep up the good work refuting JM.

I just coined a new word 01-29-2010 01:45 AM ozzydingo lol! good one!

Important questions for... 01-15-2010 05:00 PM walt Thanx for the hand.

Jesus' Messiahship... 12-17-2009 02:04 AM ozzydingo hey, don't take anything I say personally. I like you. Kindest regards. (I just like stirring you.) take care and merry christmas to you and your family.

Christianity is... 12-12-2009 09:32 PM JustinG Keep up the good work, brother!

Does God really care?... 12-11-2009 03:01 AM Merry & Joyful

Does God really care?... 12-11-2009 02:05 AM apogonzo

What was Jesus'... 12-10-2009 03:59 AM arferris amen

Jesus' fulfilled... 12-08-2009 06:57 AM Ervil

philosphy? 12-03-2009 07:31 AM ozzydingo hahaha

More Blood on the hand... 12-02-2009 09:53 PM rational

Do inerrantists have a... 11-30-2009 07:05 PM Ossifican

All... 11-21-2009 07:32 PM adhesivebeef Agreed.... Good post!

March 18, 2010
not sure where best to reach you....
wanted to give you an honorary trophy for your grand suspension at carm...:D
lol...
really sorry that those there cannot see the value your insight adds...
(and that of others)
and that differing opinions can be a good thing...

sigh...

hope you are well...
soms/holly
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Re: I am smart part II

Post by Metacrock » Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:50 pm

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Re: now I've heard everything

Postby Gwarlroge on Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:24 pm
My point is: a lot of the time, atheists (and theists) do this kind of thing when they are afraid of the conclusion they just read. You might think they're invincibly dumb and that all your time is wasted--but you might be winning someone's mind. Keep up the good work! ;)

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Hey Meta

Postby Superfund on Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:48 am
i just read your latest piece on your blog & it was really good. So many people athiest or not just don't know enough about this stuff sadley.

It was a great blog thanks
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Re: I am smart part II

Post by Metacrock » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:52 am

Quote Originally Posted by Metacrock View Post
I am saying that my evidential standard is the most reaosnable one that has been put forward. That's because not that many have been put forward on this board.

My standard. two steps:

(1) Rational warrant for belief.

warrant means something is justified. Like when a cop has a warrant to search your house they are saying "I have authorization to do this." In argument the authorization would come from Logic. So it's a way of saying "a ratioanl and logical reason to bleieve."

This means instead of discussing "you can't prove god exits" I think the issue should be "I can prove it's rational to believe that God exits. I don't have to prove he does, just that it's rational to believe he does.

HRG on carm 5/14/10
If you stopped here, there would be much less need for argumentation.

But when you go further and claim in effect that there is no rational warrant for lack of belief in god(s), grounds of being, transcendental signifiers and particular experiences being experiences of God - then it is time to step in and point out where your arguments fail.
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Re: I am smart part II

Post by Metacrock » Fri Dec 10, 2010 6:21 am

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Good points there!
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the_elf
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LOL........that's a great comeback!
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lol!
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Gotta hand it to ya. That was damn funny.
12-06-2010 12:40 AM
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I would like to learn further on this if you don't mind
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For honesty
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That last comment "sane person claiming to be god" was very apt.
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True
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DAMN fine post!.
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Re: I am smart part II

Post by Metacrock » Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:24 pm

Date

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Thread: Fire in the equations: God argument
Nice Work - Keep it up!
02-14-2011 01:27 PM
Solidfaith
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Thread: questions for Lee Strobel or other mature believers
No Comment Made
02-13-2011 05:33 PM
Deborah551
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"cute and amusing" made me laugh!
02-13-2011 12:33 PM
Corsican
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Thread: Cerpin Taxt: Where is your "proof"?
Thank god you're here, I was having a long talk with ferengi and my brain was melting like a popsicle
02-09-2011 05:38 PM
Magritte
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KDAD doesn't understand the distinciton between logic and truth value. Good comments on your part!
02-08-2011 03:43 AM
Kraftlos
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This made me laugh. Good post.
01-29-2011 04:02 PM
Occam
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01-28-2011 04:24 PM
sunofmysoul
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Deist
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LOL!
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Good to see you back, let's keep it clean, no biting
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Re: I am smart part II

Post by Metacrock » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:11 am

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Occam
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"He slayed 1,000 with the jawbone of an ***"
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Undead
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Nice Work - Keep it up!
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Solidfaith
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No Comment Made
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Deborah551
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"cute and amusing" made me laugh!
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Corsican
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Thread: Cerpin Taxt: Where is your "proof"?
Thank god you're here, I was having a long talk with ferengi and my brain was melting like a popsicle
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Re: I am smart part II

Post by Metacrock » Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:37 am

Darkim on CARM 3/9/11
http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthread.p ... ost1371826
post no 27

Originally Posted by Metacrock View Post
end the straw man bit and deal with the argument I presented.

Metacrock, I am not trying to straw man your argument. I genuinely misunderstood it, but your second post helped me understand much better. I really want to get something out of this discussion, so please don't assume ill intentions from me, because there is none.
I am justified in thinking there is a God becuase the experiences I have of God meet the criteria we use to determine the real. Therefore, I can assert the reality of God becuase God is the object of the experiences that that fit the criteria we use to determine reality.

That's perfectly valid Metacrock, and if I was in your position as you present it I would also believe. You are essentially saying "I have found good reasons to believe" (while being a lot more specific about what kind of reasons they are). But the deal is, I haven't had these experiences, nor do I see the experiences of others are convincing. Would you call my unbelief warranted?



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Don't let those who sling insults make you feel bad. Just pick up your cross and keep going! The haterz hate, but I believe you're getting to through to a few of them. God bless!


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March 16,2011

The conceptualization of God as 'Being Itself' was, to my knowledge, first proposed by theologian Paul Tillich in the early 20th Century. It has been brought to my knowledge by the thoughtful poster Metacrock. If you can get through his posts (sorry, Meta, your writing style is a bit... difficult), you'll find that they are extremely intelligent in nature and they actually pose even greater challenges to non-believers than the arguments of more well-known Christian apologists. His conception of God is fairly unique and has required substantial thought for me to comprehend it in a manner that enables me to write about it.

When it is said that God is defined as "Being Itself," it is meant in opposition to the idea that God is actually a being, that is a distinct entity that is what Metacrock refers to as "the big man in the sky" concept of God. So, according to Tillich and by extension Meta, God is not a being. But, if God is not a being, what exactly is He? How can a definition of God be meaningful without being a being? These questions seem to me to be serious problems of this view, especially to professed Christians like Metacrock, who hold onto the idea of a personal God.


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This is the Meta I like.
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Good, honest comment!
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Darth Pringle on Doxa forums 3/18/11

It's fair to point out that you present actual arguments that can be defended/refuted. It is also true that people take you seriously. HRG, myself and others have defended this even though there is disagreement in some areas.

In just about all cases, "No one takes you seriously" is false.
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Re: I am smart part II

Post by Metacrock » Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:50 pm

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Quote Originally Posted by Metacrock View Post
thank you. I appreciate that. I like Smith, I've read him too. He's good.
No problem, man. A lot of people (like me) lurk more than post, and totally dig what you have to say. Your influence is there, so don't get discouraged because some people disagree with you. More people agree with you than you think!
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