I would find that surprisingQuantumTroll wrote:It appears that we couldn't disagree more about this subjectSgttomas wrote:That *you* is the mechanics of reality, the perception of the mechanics of reality and the memory of that perception (perception of perception). That kind of self-reference means that meaning is a basic aspect of reality - it is not equivalent to mechanics.
[..]Truly the world exists outside of my mind, but has absolutely no meaning unless it is perceived by my mind. So attempts to relate to God by the meaning imbued in the world are justified. They may not be acceptable to you, but that is due to an inability to come to terms with such a God..
Right. What I've then expressed is how I see that working and giving some substance to a term like "humanity".I would say that the psyche resides in the world, and is limited by the portion of world that it sits in, namely your brain and your humanity.
I agree fully.On the other hand, the world we see is in the psyche, and is a strange fun-house mirror version of the real world.
Right. Thus making it a fundamental aspect of reality. You cannot give a full description of reality without taking something about those terms for granted. Any description of reality is necessarily incomplete, however, any true partial description of reality can be justified by appealing to perception: if I percieve it, it is real in some sense. Questions may be raised as to the nature of the experience, but this becomes a self reference back to reality, which is impossible to fully describe.Our fun-house mirror puts in things like meaning and depth.
So what I've said is that some aspects of reality - by their nature - lack a complete definition, yet they are real. This experience of reality is a "meta"-quality of matter. The proper description is not in material terms, but in meta terms - language, sensation, art, etc (those "humanity" things you invoked). Therefore it is necessary to have an appreciation for both the mechanics and meaning of life. Each is a proper, partial description of reality.
I agree that the mechanical nature of life has a profound affect on the meaning of life, particularly that point when the mechanical nature loses coherence. Everything ceases to make sense at that point.We cannot escape the effects of the mirror until we die, and I doubt that my analogy holds beyond the grave.
Plenty...I think. ...mine?Hmm, I'm curious, does this worldview make any sense to you guys?
Peace,
-sgttomas
