Science can't find God

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Science can't find God

Post by Metacrock » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:32 pm

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back to square one. I have 42 argumetns that prove it to me. you wont accept them because you take issue with the method. the only method you allow is scinece, scinece isn't going to find God even if God is real.

God has to be beyond the level of empiricism by the nature of being God. you can't have empirical proof of empiricism. you can't have empirical proof of reality.

so you want to do a bait and switch, my use of a method that doesn't give you control over my finds then becomes "refusal to shoulder the responsibility."

I've told you several different ways to know that God is real. you don't want any of them because you don't want God to be real.
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Re: Science can't find God

Post by Kane Augustus » Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:43 pm

Metacrock wrote:scinece isn't going to find God even if God is real.
Why?
Metacrock wrote:God has to be beyond the level of empiricism by the nature of being God.
Why?

Metacrock wrote:you can't have empirical proof of empiricism.
Why?

Metacrock wrote:you can't have empirical proof of reality.
Isn't reality its own empirical proof?

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Re: Science can't find God

Post by met » Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:26 am

Reality is only its own empirical proof to the extent it's real. ;)
The “One” is the space of the “world” of the tick, but also the “pinch” of the lobster, or that rendezvous in person to confirm online pictures (with a new lover or an old God). This is the machinery operative...as “onto-theology."
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Re: Science can't find God

Post by Kane Augustus » Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:24 am

met wrote:Reality is only its own empirical proof to the extent it's real. ;)
What about reality isn't real?

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Re: Science can't find God

Post by moksha » Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:01 am

Kane Augustus wrote:
met wrote:Reality is only its own empirical proof to the extent it's real. ;)
What about reality isn't real?
The 'ity' part. :D

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Re: Science can't find God

Post by Metacrock » Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:35 am

Kane Augustus wrote:
Metacrock wrote:scinece isn't going to find God even if God is real.
Why?
I expalined that. that's exactly what the previous post was about.
Metacrock wrote:God has to be beyond the level of empiricism by the nature of being God.
Why?
how could something be the foundation of being and also be a thing in creation alongside the things it created?

Metacrock wrote:you can't have empirical proof of empiricism.
Why?
it would be like weighing a scale with the scale to be weighed.

Metacrock wrote:you can't have empirical proof of reality.
Isn't reality its own empirical proof?
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you can't determine it by empirical means because of the empiricist dilemma. You can't get outside of your own perceptions to check them and see that they work. That's why scinece has tests, and applicability and all the methodology of verification in the first place. Those things don't help beyond the crass level of surface existence. They don't get you outside your own perceptions. we have to solve epistemic questions with judgments which are like leaps of faith. They can't be engineered out of existence by technology or reduced out of existence by science.
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Re: Science can't find God

Post by KR Wordgazer » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:16 pm

The belief that nothing exists but what can be verified scientifically, cannot itself be verified scientifically.
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Re: Science can't find God

Post by Metacrock » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:24 am

KR Wordgazer wrote:The belief that nothing exists but what can be verified scientifically, cannot itself be verified scientifically.
a men sister. Excellent point! you been reading Michael Polanyi?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Polanyi
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Re: Science can't find God

Post by KR Wordgazer » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:18 am

No, I had not read him. I appreciate the link. I think my thoughts were led along these lines by The Science of God: An Introduction to Scientific Theology by Allistair McGrath.

http://www.amazon.com/Science-God-Intro ... B001OCKLEI
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Re: Science can't find God

Post by met » Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:49 pm

moksha wrote:
Kane Augustus wrote:
met wrote:Reality is only its own empirical proof to the extent it's real. ;)
What about reality isn't real?
The 'ity' part. :D
**waves**** You really get me! You really do!! (Helps me miss ST less...) :)
The “One” is the space of the “world” of the tick, but also the “pinch” of the lobster, or that rendezvous in person to confirm online pictures (with a new lover or an old God). This is the machinery operative...as “onto-theology."
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