Antimatter wrote:Hi Meta, forgive me for quoting you out of order:
Which atheists would those be? Atheism itself is not based on absolute proof! Speaking for myself, I accept atheism because I find it to be the most plausible explanation that most successfully explains the experience and observations I've made in my life. I don't claim to know everything, nor do I claim to have absolute mathematical proof.Metacrock wrote:In my view a rational warrant is "close enough for government work." atheists make it sound like they just can't believe something short of total absolute proof. But they do believe things short of that, almost everything they believe is short of that. ... this idea of proving things with mathematical certainty is just bunk. the only things you can prove with mathematical certainty is mathematics.
I get that impression from many of them. Hans, grog, that maynard guy.
No I infur that God's existence is rationally warranted and that is close enough for proof to make a leap of faith, not that they do prove it.I just replied to your a priori thread, so I'm struck with the same confusion here. You argue that social sciences do not provide evidence that god exists or that god engenders religious experience, but then you want to infer that they do. I could provide several conter-examples to your inference, such as the ability of drugs, trances, ritual, or strongly held belief to induce psychological experiences, many of which are arbitrarily chosen by researchers or contradictory to your theistic view.No empirical study of a social sciences nature really proves anything in the math sense. They came up with double blinds and personality tests and measurement statistical scales because they don't have mathematical certainty in social sciences. But those studies are closer to the proof you speak of in your field than they are to merely rational warrant. However, what they prove is not that God exists, or that God is behind the experiences. but that the experiences are real and they have real effects. To draw from that the inference that this is God behind it is to once again move into the rational warrant realm.