Is the human mind supernatural?
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I think I've discussed this once before with metacrock but it's lost in the mists of time.
Meta, you've said that the supernatural is on a different level than the natural, being like an operating system for the program called "creation" running inside it. I'm wondering if parts of creation (e.g. the human mind) are themselves supernatural, and if it breaks that dichotomy. And what is the relationship between the mind and the soul? And if the soul is supernatural, is it part of creation or part of the "operating system"?
I have more questions about the supernatural and the mind having to do with the nature of abstraction, ideals and universals but that'll do for now.
p.s. I am not trying to trick you into a particular answer because of an axe-grinding atheist agenda here, just discussing ideas.
Meta, you've said that the supernatural is on a different level than the natural, being like an operating system for the program called "creation" running inside it. I'm wondering if parts of creation (e.g. the human mind) are themselves supernatural, and if it breaks that dichotomy. And what is the relationship between the mind and the soul? And if the soul is supernatural, is it part of creation or part of the "operating system"?
I have more questions about the supernatural and the mind having to do with the nature of abstraction, ideals and universals but that'll do for now.
p.s. I am not trying to trick you into a particular answer because of an axe-grinding atheist agenda here, just discussing ideas.
Re: Is the human mind supernatural?
I'm amazed you remember stuff I say. no one else does!fleetmouse wrote:I think I've discussed this once before with metacrock but it's lost in the mists of time.
Meta, you've said that the supernatural is on a different level than the natural, being like an operating system for the program called "creation" running inside it.
supernatural is that which pertains to supenature, and super nature is the power of God to transform us to the higher level of understanding/spiritual consciousness. So you could not really speak of natural tings as supernatural.I'm wondering if parts of creation (e.g. the human mind) are themselves supernatural, and if it breaks that dichotomy. And what is the relationship between the mind and the soul? And if the soul is supernatural, is it part of creation or part of the "operating system"?
In my view the soul is a symbol of the over all life in relation to God. The spirit is the mind. So the soul is a symbol and thus its' relation to the "the mind" (spirit) is symbolic, and deals with one's sense of God consciousness. The spirit is braowded by spiritual experience. thus one could say that a spiritual person has a stronger soul in a metaphorical way becuase her/his relationship with God is deeper.
I have more questions about the supernatural and the mind having to do with the nature of abstraction, ideals and universals but that'll do for now.
great, bring them on.
that's ok I trust you. spread the word around the atheist board I have been banned for beating the fundies in debate. but I'll be back, it's just for a few days.p.s. I am not trying to trick you into a particular answer because of an axe-grinding atheist agenda here, just discussing ideas.
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Re: Is the human mind supernatural?
You have called God the transcendent signifier or organizing principle, so I wonder if there's some overlap or channel between abstract thought and the divine. Not that I'm advancing the idea that God is "just an idea", but rather understanding abstraction differently... in a way that isn't like the world of forms, but comes to me out of the corner of my mind like the strange feeling after staying up all night. Or reading RD Laing. A kind of trippy recognition. Is that a sense of the numinous?Metacrock wrote:supernatural is that which pertains to supenature, and super nature is the power of God to transform us to the higher level of understanding/spiritual consciousness. So you could not really speak of natural tings as supernatural.fleetmouse wrote:I'm wondering if parts of creation (e.g. the human mind) are themselves supernatural, and if it breaks that dichotomy. And what is the relationship between the mind and the soul? And if the soul is supernatural, is it part of creation or part of the "operating system"?
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Is the human mind supernatural?
The spirit of man is the intellect, will, mind, conscience, and other faculties that make him a free moral agent and a rational being. It is the invisible life breathed into man by God and which goes back to God (Eccl. 3:19-20). The soul and spirit make the inner man "which is not corruptible" (1 Peter 3:4). In general we can say that the spirit of man is that which knows (1 Cor. 2:11), and the soul of man is that which feels. Both together they form a real, tangible spirit body which fits inside the physical body. i cannot find any Scriptures whichteach that the human mind is "Super-natural."
The spirit of man is the intellect, will, mind, conscience, and other faculties that make him a free moral agent and a rational being. It is the invisible life breathed into man by God and which goes back to God (Eccl. 3:19-20). The soul and spirit make the inner man "which is not corruptible" (1 Peter 3:4). In general we can say that the spirit of man is that which knows (1 Cor. 2:11), and the soul of man is that which feels. Both together they form a real, tangible spirit body which fits inside the physical body. i cannot find any Scriptures whichteach that the human mind is "Super-natural."
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fleetmouse wrote:You have called God the transcendent signifier or organizing principle, so I wonder if there's some overlap or channel between abstract thought and the divine. Not that I'm advancing the idea that God is "just an idea", but rather understanding abstraction differently... in a way that isn't like the world of forms, but comes to me out of the corner of my mind like the strange feeling after staying up all night. Or reading RD Laing. A kind of trippy recognition. Is that a sense of the numinous?Metacrock wrote:supernatural is that which pertains to supenature, and super nature is the power of God to transform us to the higher level of understanding/spiritual consciousness. So you could not really speak of natural tings as supernatural.fleetmouse wrote:I'm wondering if parts of creation (e.g. the human mind) are themselves supernatural, and if it breaks that dichotomy. And what is the relationship between the mind and the soul? And if the soul is supernatural, is it part of creation or part of the "operating system"?
I think there is. W.T. Stace believed that many mystics, seem to think that contemplation of the abstract ideas was used by Greek mystics to obtain a lower level mystical conscousness. Plato actually regarded the forms as ideas in the mind, their abstract reality.
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Re: Is the human mind supernatural?
Hazard wrote:Is the human mind supernatural?
The spirit of man is the intellect, will, mind, conscience, and other faculties that make him a free moral agent and a rational being. It is the invisible life breathed into man by God and which goes back to God (Eccl. 3:19-20). The soul and spirit make the inner man "which is not corruptible" (1 Peter 3:4). In general we can say that the spirit of man is that which knows (1 Cor. 2:11), and the soul of man is that which feels. Both together they form a real, tangible spirit body which fits inside the physical body. i cannot find any Scriptures whichteach that the human mind is "Super-natural."
Greek word for spirit, penuma, and the Hebrew (can't remember) both mean breath because ancient people didn't know why oxygen was so they thought breath was a mystery that contained the actual life itself in it. So they thought of spirits as like wind because you can't see them but you can feel them (you can't see wind but you can feel it yet its not material seemingly). But that's just a misconception. There's no reason why spirit has to be a wind like quality; I beleive the mind is spirit. All the German philosophers have always believed that.
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Re: Is the human mind supernatural?
Mate, I love this Scripture. I was asked once what it meant? "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit" (John 3:8). My understanding of this verse; As the natural man hears the wind, so the man born again hears the voice of the Spirit.Metacrock wrote:Hazard wrote:Is the human mind supernatural?
The spirit of man is the intellect, will, mind, conscience, and other faculties that make him a free moral agent and a rational being. It is the invisible life breathed into man by God and which goes back to God (Eccl. 3:19-20). The soul and spirit make the inner man "which is not corruptible" (1 Peter 3:4). In general we can say that the spirit of man is that which knows (1 Cor. 2:11), and the soul of man is that which feels. Both together they form a real, tangible spirit body which fits inside the physical body. i cannot find any Scriptures whichteach that the human mind is "Super-natural."
Greek word for spirit, penuma, and the Hebrew (can't remember) both mean breath because ancient people didn't know why oxygen was so they thought breath was a mystery that contained the actual life itself in it. So they thought of spirits as like wind because you can't see them but you can feel them (you can't see wind but you can feel it yet its not material seemingly). But that's just a misconception. There's no reason why spirit has to be a wind like quality; I beleive the mind is spirit. All the German philosophers have always believed that.
Haz.
Re: Is the human mind supernatural?
Hazard wrote:Mate, I love this Scripture. I was asked once what it meant? "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit" (John 3:8). My understanding of this verse; As the natural man hears the wind, so the man born again hears the voice of the Spirit.Metacrock wrote:Hazard wrote:Is the human mind supernatural?
The spirit of man is the intellect, will, mind, conscience, and other faculties that make him a free moral agent and a rational being. It is the invisible life breathed into man by God and which goes back to God (Eccl. 3:19-20). The soul and spirit make the inner man "which is not corruptible" (1 Peter 3:4). In general we can say that the spirit of man is that which knows (1 Cor. 2:11), and the soul of man is that which feels. Both together they form a real, tangible spirit body which fits inside the physical body. i cannot find any Scriptures whichteach that the human mind is "Super-natural."
Greek word for spirit, penuma, and the Hebrew (can't remember) both mean breath because ancient people didn't know why oxygen was so they thought breath was a mystery that contained the actual life itself in it. So they thought of spirits as like wind because you can't see them but you can feel them (you can't see wind but you can feel it yet its not material seemingly). But that's just a misconception. There's no reason why spirit has to be a wind like quality; I beleive the mind is spirit. All the German philosophers have always believed that.
Haz.
yea, that's good. still a metaphorical usage.
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Re: Is the human mind supernatural?
How so?Metacrock wrote:Mate, I love this Scripture. I was asked once what it meant? "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit" (John 3:8). My understanding of this verse; As the natural man hears the wind, so the man born again hears the voice of the Spirit.
Haz.
yea, that's good. still a metaphorical usage.
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Why didn't I think to ask Metacrock that question? Must have bumped my head a few times too many over the years.unred typo wrote:How so?Metacrock wrote:Mate, I love this Scripture. I was asked once what it meant? "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit" (John 3:8). My understanding of this verse; As the natural man hears the wind, so the man born again hears the voice of the Spirit.
Haz.
yea, that's good. still a metaphorical usage.