Try to ee past the abuse of those women.
It is laughable to say that abused women, living in mortal fear, are "free" to do anything at all.
I didn’t say they were, I said that a Church should not send them back into the abuse to submit to it, in fact. However, the topic of abused women doesn’t really relate to the topic of this group demanding an apology for a Church teaching what it believes in.
Its rather like a Homosexual Catholic organisation I read once demanding the Church apologise for its teachings on Homosexuality. The Catholic Church doesn’t on average abuse Homosexuals, and they are free to become Episcopalians who do accept their lifestyle, yet they want to remain Catholic, and simply demand the Catholic Church change her Teachings to suit them.
Its not like he Catholic Church is the only game in town, but rather than go to a more accepting Catholic styles Church., like many “Old Catholic” churches, or many Anglican offshoots, they insist the Pope personally apologise for a teaching they find offensive even though they know of the teaching well in advance.
Its that sort of thing we’re discussing. Not abused women.
Many of these churches tell women that if they leave the church, they're in rebellion and in danger of losing their salvation.
As wrong as that is, it is still not really relevant to the topic.
Bringing it up is more about emotional manipulation than discussing the topic at hand.
Many abusive husbands threaten to kill their wives if they try to leave.
And do so even in wonderful Egalitarian Churches with women preachers. Often the women never report these matters t women clergy. Or to women who they work with. Or anyone.
I know, I’m getting a degree in Psychology. Its hard to break form abuse, no matter what the Religious affiliation of he victim is.
But that doesn’t make demanding an apology from a Church for its teachings really right, does it?
No, I do not equate all complementarians with these teachings. Where on earth did you read that anywhere in this post? But I was astonished that you appeared to be defending these people-- apparently without having actually clicked on the links or tried to find out anything about what you were defending.
Because all I got form that one blog entry was that these women want a group to change its teachings rather than for them to leave and find something more to their liking.
I am Libertarian, after all. I don’t think people need to be forced into compliance by anyone in regards to their beliefs.
I disagree with all complementarianism. It is about restricting women-- the only difference is in how far she is to be restricted. But that doesn't mean I'm saying all complementarians go this far.
But you never addrs anything they say as to why.
To be fair, CBMW does not encourage men to abuse their wives. But many of its teachings place the blame for the abuse on the woman's lack of submission. Its teachings on male authority and privilege certainly can lead a certain type of man to feel justified in his abuse.
But. I’ve seen people with similar beliefs, as far as I can gather them form this limited exposure. Churches that teach women to submit, nd yet those same Churches would never, ever send a woman back into abuse. That would be seen as a man Violating his own duty, which is to Love his wife as Christ loved the Church, and the Church would usually try to shelter the woman from the abuser and notify authorities.
So this is really not about Abusive Husbands being sheltered by these Churches, as while that may happen on occasion, it doesn’t happen all the time to all Churches with similar beliefs.