ZAROVE wrote:On the woman thing, the only debate you seem to be havign wiht me is on the definitin of Shaddai, which you'll loose as its pretty obvisuly a Masculine phrase in Hebrew, thogh the exact word is Gender zNeurral.[/quot]
yea the great linguist speaks. that tears it. You asked you gonna get.
What you are trying to do here is on a par with a what woman said in my Greek class. She said "since general (Stragegace) is feminine this must be a hold over form the tmie when the Amazons were in charge and men were the slaves of women, because general is a feminine word in Greek."
of course after my teacher recovered from laughing he said "it don't' work that way."
Table is feminine in Spanish (La Masa) that doesn't' mean only women can sit at tables.
There was a third rate scholar of English lit called Robert Graves who tried to say that since Holy Spirit is feminine in Hebrew then the Holy Spirit is a woman.
that's the same mistake you are making here. the gender of a word has nothing to do with it' meaning. Now I quoted some conservative evangelical scholars who said the word Shaddi was used of Mother's breast! not fathers, but mothers. doesn't matter what the gender of the world is! I also noticed and said that in modern Hebrew a woman's breast is "Shedine." Doesn't see the similarity?
I quotes several different scholars saying the woman's breast is the meaning of the word. one of them documented about eight places where that very word is used of women, not men but women in the OT do you hear me?
8 PASSAGES WHERE THAT VERY WORD IS USED OF WOMEN IN THE OT!
THe idea that its dfeminine still rests on assu,ing the word "Breast" is always feminine, which is not true, and that the words root is Shad which is unproven, and that words mean the same hting as their root, which is absurd.
No it does not reflect on that. the Rabbis I quoted are not stupid and they speak Hebrew. don't forget you are not a scholar you don't know Hebrew. You are just a sampler of reference books. these guys live and breath Hebrew all their lives. you have no evidence that's the basis of their view and you just assuming.
Shaddai means Almighty, and thats simply how its always been defined.
NO! that's your little need to feel powerful over women.you think if God is imaged as woman you lose power over women. that is your psychogenic need to believe that. it's not based upon scholarship and you know it' not.
the evidence I presented far outweighs your evidence in terms of scholarship show me what you scholar you quoted? you quoted Yahoo answers. Those guys aren't even good hacks.
Heck, a similar word is used for Ba'al. Ba'al didnt have woman like Breasts, did he?
that's not how prove things in language. A similar word! gezzz what does that mean?
that's like saying golly is a similar word to God so they mean the same thing.
El Shadai means "God Almighty".
stop repeating your unsupported slogan. repeating doesn't prove it. you have demonstrated no proof of any kind. I showed eight places where the actual word is used of a woman's breast!
I also showed eight other places there God is imaged as a woman. that's 16 passages that disprove your unsupported crap!
[/quote]Im not even sure why you think this is worth that much of a debate.
O I see I am the one who made your post right? you brought it back up. it was gone you brought it back? It's so unworthy why can't you let it go?
because it's your power to be a man right? you have to be powerful over women so you have to have God be a male.