link between meaninglessness and current state?

[Metacrock]

Is there a link between how fucked up things are and lack of conviction about meaning at the top o the metaphysical set up.

[Magritte]

But as I've shown in the being and nonbeing thread, there's meaninglessness at the top of the metaphysical hierarchy; being cannot have come into being, and so cannot have been brought into being for a purpose.

[Metacrock]

But as I've shown in the being and nonbeing thread, there's meaninglessness at the top of the metaphysical hierarchy; being cannot have come into being, and so cannot have been brought into being for a purpose.

not true. it doesn't have to have been brought in for a purpose to have a purpose, there is an eternal purpose.

[Magritte]

not true. it doesn't have to have been brought in for a purpose to have a purpose,

Then it follows that even if man wasn't created for a purpose, man can have a purpose.

there is an eternal purpose.

If there's an eternal purpose, then it can't be contingent because it can't have been created. I don't think you can demonstrate that there's an eternal necessary purpose the same way you can demonstrate that there's eternal necessary being. I mean, purpose does not necessarily follow from being. There's no inherent contradiction in denying an eternal purpose. You'd have to establish that there's eternal purpose separately from the logic of being.

[Metacrock]

not true. it doesn't have to have been brought in for a purpose to have a purpose,

Then it follows that even if man wasn't created for a purpose, man can have a purpose

false man is contingent he has to take his purpose from a higher source, Nothing higher than God, God's purpose doesn't does not have to have started up up from a time of no purpose in order to be a purpose. Man's purpose ca't e self made because it';s meaningless.

there is an eternal purpose.

If there's an eternal purpose, then it can't be contingent because it can't have been created. I don't think you can demonstrate that there's an eternal necessary purpose the same way you can demonstrate that there's eternal necessary being. I mean, purpose does not necessarily follow from being. There's no inherent contradiction in denying an eternal purpose. You'd have to establish that there's eternal purpose separately from the logic of being.[/quote]

If God has will and volition and consciousness on some level, however transcendent, hen there would have to be purpose.