That does seem a non-solution. Is anyone doing that?met wrote:Well, at least it takes all the phenomena into account; not denying the existence of the subjective, the first-person frame altogether to make the problem seem "solvable? "
That seems a non-solution....
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- Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:47 am
- Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
- Topic: What is consciousness?
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Re: What is consciousness?
- Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:50 am
- Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
- Topic: What is consciousness?
- Replies: 25
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Re: What is consciousness?
If someone says, "well, that's really hard and could well be impossible since there doesn't even seem to be a valid conceptual framework for us to start with nor an obvious way to even begin to construct such a framework," then, at least, they are addressing what seems like the real core of the con...
- Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:02 am
- Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
- Topic: What is consciousness?
- Replies: 25
- Views: 38813
Re: What is consciousness?
It's not being researched. There isn't a framework in place for a research program. That's what I've been trying to tell you over the past several months. It is also what I have been saying. There is no framework, so there is no research. All we have is people saying the materialist view must be wr...
- Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:56 am
- Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
- Topic: What is consciousness?
- Replies: 25
- Views: 38813
Re: What is consciousness?
Having read Joe's latest post, I realise there is an issue about what we mean by "reducible". I will just repeat what I posted to Joe on his blog: Emergence (in this context) claims consciousness arises purely within the brain, there is nothing else involved. If consciousness is strongly emergent is...
- Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:16 am
- Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
- Topic: What is consciousness?
- Replies: 25
- Views: 38813
Re: What is consciousness?
There's the issue of reducibility and there's the issue of emergence. If the latter, is it strong or weak emergence? All theories are vague at this point, especially the emergentist's, which says that given the right kind and degree of complexity, poof! consciousness. No idea of how it could happen...
- Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:37 am
- Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
- Topic: What is consciousness?
- Replies: 25
- Views: 38813
Re: What is consciousness?
The point of the argument is a negative one. It's to block consciousness from being reduced to physical facts. I could tell you what my theory is as to what consciousness is or how it fits into other things, but what's the point of talking about that with materialists if they don't agree with the p...
- Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:00 pm
- Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
- Topic: What is consciousness?
- Replies: 25
- Views: 38813
Re: What is consciousness?
I understand the irreducibility arguments for consciousness as being a defeater for physicalism, not necessarily as evidence of God. Some, like Joe and others draw theistic implications form this irreducibility as part pf a rational warrant argument, but I prefer to stick to basics. There's more to...
- Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:59 pm
- Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
- Topic: What is consciousness?
- Replies: 25
- Views: 38813
Re: What is consciousness?
Well, if I presented the idea that "there is no current theory that can hope to explain all aspects of consciousness and there very likely may never be" as a THEORY (and perhaps called it the "Undecidability Theory of Consciousness") would it "win"? Does that state the case in the most accurate pos...
- Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:31 pm
- Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
- Topic: What is consciousness?
- Replies: 25
- Views: 38813
Re: What is consciousness?
What seems interesting to me, and implicit in your argument, is the assumption that it's always better to have a constructive theory, even with holes, than to admit a gap? Of course we should admit there is a gap, and I do not think anyone is saying the problem of consciousness is solved. But if yo...
- Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:18 am
- Forum: Adventure of Faith (Religion/Spirituality)
- Topic: What is consciousness?
- Replies: 25
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What is consciousness?
There have been a couple of posts on Cadre about how consciousness is supposedly not reducible to the brain, but no one seems to have any idea what conscious is then - or at least not that they want to admit to any one. I challenged BK about this on this post: http://christiancadre.blogspot.co.uk/20...